[Worldwide Koi Club] I Think I Need Advice
Hi Don. I couldn’t figure out where you’d gotten to when I first posted the problem and didn’t hear back from you. I thought you were away on vacation or something. Anyway, I’ll look for the gel medication, but I have one important question. How does one sedate a huge koi? What does one do to get it to sleep?
I’m so sorry about your computer woes, and I know just how you feel about recovering data that might have been lost. Back in ‘03 - ‘04 I was working on a book with a friend of mine at the University of Nebraska. We shared the writing but I was the one responsible for the editing and, well, you guessed it. Fifty pages from the end my hard drive crashed and (yep, you guessed this part too) I hadn’t made a back-up. All he had were his originals along with a copy of my work so I had to re-edit his entire section all over again. Sigh . . .
In any case, if you tell me how to hypnotize my little submarine into torpor I’ll gel his ulcer and see what happens. Do you have any idea why none of the other fish succumbed to this?
Take care and tap when you can.
Sincerely, Brenda
On 26-Mar-08, at 9:50 PM, ikeepkoi wrote:
> Hi Brenda, > Sorry to hear your having problems with one of your koi. Have had > some computer hard drive problems and I now have more than 2500 email > messages unread. Had a hard drive go bad on me that I replaced with a > new one. The new hard drive gave up the ghost on me less than two > weeks after I bought it, so I’ve been busy replacing the hard drives, > installing new Operating Syatems, and doing forensics on the bad hard > drives to recover all the information I had stored on them. > > I haven’t been able to read all of the email concerning your koi, but > it seems like Lorraine has given you some good advise. Something else > you might try (or at least buy and have on hand for future problems) > is to get one of the very good GEL type medications that are now > availible on the market. With the GEL meds, you’ll need to remove the > koi from the tank/pond, …. place it into a smaller container and > lightly sedate it, …. wipe the sore area dry, …. then apply the > gel to the sore area. After a minute or two wait to let the gel set, > you can just release the koi back into your main pond and it should be > good to go for a good recovery without having to treat the whole > tank/pond. Melifix should also be very helpful in the koi’s recovery, > … but it’s always nice to know you can treat an individual koi > without necessarily having to treat the whole tank/pond .. > Best wishes and keep us informed on the koi’s recovery progess, > Hugs, > Don > ikeepkoi > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > —– Original Message —– > From: Lorraine > To: worldwidekoiclub@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Worldwide Koi Club] I Think I Need Advice > > > Hi Brenda. I think that for now it’s a waiting game to see if the > medication will do the trick. It’s also important to remember that by > using medication for a bacterial infection will affect good and bad > bacteria, even in the filtration system. > If you can add some aquarium/pickling salt to the water that should > also help. > Another thing, if your fish looks happy and is swimming around it’s > a really good sign that things are working. > > Hugs, Lorraine > —– Original Message —– > From: Lorraine > To: worldwidekoiclub@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Worldwide Koi Club] I Think I Need Advice > > —– Original Message —– > From: Lorraine > To: worldwidekoiclub@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Worldwide Koi Club] I Think I Need Advice > > —– Original Message —– > From: Brenda Rose > To: worldwidekoiclub@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Worldwide Koi Club] I Think I Need Advice > > n 21-Mar-08, at 6:18 PM, guppytrain wrote: > >> Hi Brenda. I might be able to help. Here’s a few questions for you. >> >> How long have you had the fish? > This is Tubby’s second indoor winter, and he (?) will have been with > us > three years come May. >> How many gallons are in the tank? > I have calculated approx. 220 Canadian gallons. >> Are there any other fish in the tank? > There are 16 in all. There were 18 but one week I was overbooked and > didn’t do the partial water change and, well, it was all my fault. > Two > succumbed to what I suspect was ammonia poisoning. > > I agree with you. I think that the possibility of an ammonia spike > is which might have killed your fish. > > I’ve been there myself. :0) > >> How often do you make water changes? > I change from 1/4 to 1/3 every week, especially now that I know the > result of missing a change. > > That’s great. I wish more people would make weekly water changes, > especially if the filtration systems they are using are not large > enough not only for the size of the tank/pond but the amount of fish. > >> Do you remove the water from the bottom of the tank? > Yes, the siphon takes the water from the bottom. >> Do you have gravel in the tank? > Yes, large pea gravel. > > How long has the gravel been in this tank? > >> What type of filtration are you using? > It’s the largest Fluval - I forget the number, but it’s more than > sufficient for the tank. > > Can you give me the approximate dimensions in size of the fluval? > It’s quite possible that this system is not large enough. I used to > have a 25 gallon filter on my 150 gallon tank because it was heavily > overstocked and it worked out well to keep the fish healthy and the > water clear and free of toxins. > >> How often do you clean this filter? > Malcolm only did this once, at the beginning of the winter season. > > With the filters we use, the mechanical part is at the top where all > debris from the tank/pond is removed > by window screening and cleaned any time it becomes dirty. This > means that the plastic scrubbies I use for bio-media never get dirty > and if I have to remove the scrubbies to get rid of the dirty water, I > just pump it out and use it in the garden during the summer. In the > winter, the dirty water goes down the drain. If they do get dirty you > know that the filter isn’t working properly. We used to use upflow > filters but they were so much work to keep clean. That’s another > story. 
> >> How long has the tank been running? > This is its second winter. We turned the filter off and drained the > tank in late July, once we had incubated our new acquisitions, but it > really isn’t used for anything from May, when the fish are returned > to > the outdoor pond, until October - November, when they are captured > and > brought inside (except for the five Houdinis that wouldn’t allow > themselved to be caught and are still in the pond, although under the > ice. > > LOL I know exactly what you mean. Some of those little stinkers find > really good hiding places. > >> How often do you feed your fish? > Daily. They’re RAVENOUS. > > If you feed them once a day, don’t feed them any more than they can > eat in five minutes. If you feed them twice daily, only what they can > eat in five minutes. It’s important to remember that they’re not > getting the exercise they normally would in the big pond so feeding > less inside the 220 is very important. > > It’s also important to remember that if the fish is sick and/or has > a bruise, it is possible the water conditions might be the culprit and > using medications will not help the fish until the water conditions > improve. > I’ve had fish with cloudy eyes and sores due to filtration. Once I > improved the water conditions with extra filtration and more water > changes, the fish tended to heal on their own. > > I have to admit that the bruising stumped me a bit because I don’t > know if it’s the starting of an ulcer, but it might be in the early > stages and if it is an ulcer the scales will start to fall off and > you’ll see the infected area. > I do hope that this helps. > > Hugs, Lorraine > > I hope this helps. We did get some medication from a local pet > emporium and I’ve been using it in the water as directed - 1/4 c a > day > for seven days and then a 25% water change - and although Tubby’s > bruised area is still pretty nasty looking, it isn’t any worse, and > Malcolm says that to him it looks somewhat better. But to me he still > looks like someone clubbed him with a mallet. > > This is what I would do. After the next water change, stop all > feeding of your fish for one week. It won’t hurt them at all and > you’ll be able to see if there is any difference in your fish whether > it be that the fish is swimming better and is looking happier and if > there is a difference in the bruising. The bruising may take a bit > longer to determine if it’s getting better but cutting way back on the > feeding of your fish after that might help. > > Please keep me posted. > > Hugs, Lorraine > > I’ll be looking forward to hearing your take on this. > > Sincerely, > Brenda > >> >> Yours Koily, Lorraine >> —– Original Message —– >> From: Brenda Rose >> To: worldwidekoiclub@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:32 PM >> Subject: [Worldwide Koi Club] I Think I Need Advice >> >> >> Hi all. Happy late winter (insert loud guffaw here) to all of you >> affected by last weekend’s ‘Winter Blowout’, and here’s hoping for a >> speedy end to our endless snowstorms. >> >> It seems a problem has cropped up in our indoor basin, the one where >> my >> finned wonders spend the coldest months of the year dreaming of their >> outdoor pond. I was away last week and Malcolm was left to man the >> school, so to speak, when he noticed a very large reddish welt on the >> white section of Tubby, our precious submarine koi (so named for his >> size). Anyway, I got in late last night so I didn’t go down to see >> the >> guys, but this morning I had a good look and I swear, it looks like >> he’s gone three rounds in the ring with a heavyweight. It’s almost >> like a giant bruise, and if he were a human I’d swear he’d walked >> into >> a swinging door. It’s right over his right eye area too. >> >> I looked on the ‘net and, as luck would have it, there are no koi >> vets >> in the greater Montreal area, so it’s advice I’m seeking here. I’ll >> try to get a picture of his discolouration tomorrow after work, but >> anything you may have to suggest in the meantime will be gratefully >> appreciated. I just can’t bear the thought of losing him, but this >> bruise or whatever it is is really ugly. >> >> Sincerely, >> Brenda >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> ———————————— >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ———————————— > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
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