Ray! - Acriflavin
What, no mention of willow bark?
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> —–Original Message—– > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:08 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin > > Or did you mean… acetysalicylic acid, > > So you’re doing acid now.. hmmmm? LOL > > Synonyms: 2-(acetyloxy)benzoic acid; salicylic acid acetate; acetysalicylic > acid http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/a7686.htm > > OR > > Synonyms: aspirin, 2-(acetyloxy)benzoic acid, acetyl salicylic acid, > O-acetylsalicylic acid, acetol, acetophen, A.S.A., ASA, acenterine, > acetosal, 2-acetoxybenzoic acid, entrophen, rodine, numerous further trade > names > http://msds.chem.ox.ac.uk/AC/acetylsalicylic_acid.html > > LOL.. now you know why they come up with trade names for the drugs they sell > us. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > —–Original Message—– > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 9:47 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin > > OK. I’m going to go take an aspirin, now. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > —– Original Message —– > From: “Lenny V. aka GoldLenny” > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:35 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin > > > C. I. Basic Green 4 is a synonym for Malachite Green Hydrochloride which is > a synonym for Victoria Green which is a synonym for Aniline Green, etc., > etc.. They are all the same thing with different Trade Names, according to > registered MSDS sheets… as long as the CAS number is the same… so when a > website accurately says something has Victoria Green in it, it’s the same as > saying it has C. I. Basic Green 4. API likely changed the name of their > ingredients to C. I. Basic Green 4, to fool people into not realizing it was > just Malachite Green aka Victoria Green that they were using. > > TheGAB’s list of OTC fish meds > http://thegab.org/Articles/FishMedications.html is very comprehensive and > was thoroughly researched two years ago when it was being developed, > although they may use different synonyms than you might prefer and/or > possibly companies change the names in their ingredients from time to time. > > > You say po-ta-to, they say po-tat-o… it’s still a future french fry to me. > 
> > http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/chemicals/cn/Aniline%A0Green.html > (see the long list of synonyms of trade names used for the same chemical, > CAS 569-64-2) > > http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/m0280.htm (shows Malachite Green > Hydrochloride as the “name” but the synonym as C. I. Basic Green 4 with the > same CAS number 569-64-2) > http://www.lookchem.com/msds/MALACHITE-GREEN(569-64-2).pdf > > http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/811215.html (also has a long list of > synonyms for CAS 569-64-2) > > http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/811161.html (same long list of > synonyms) > > http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/?objectid=BDA5B712-123F-7908-7B2840F693647B92 (The > National Institute Of Health’s website about Malachite Green, CAS 569-64-2 > with a short list of synonyms/common names including C I Basic Green 4, > Aniline Green and others) > > And then there’s always Wikipedia. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malachite_green (Malachite green, also called > aniline green, basic green 4, diamond green B, or victoria green B, IUPAC > name:4-[(4-dimethylaminophenyl)-phenyl-methyl]-N,N-dimethyl-aniline is a > toxic chemical primarily used as a dye. When diluted, it can be used as a > topical antiseptic or to treat parasites, fungal infections, and bacterial > infections in fish and fish eggs. It is also used as a bacteriological > stain.) > > According to API’s website and the MSDS on their site > http://cms.marsfishcare.com/files/msds/fungus_cure_liq_030308.pdf (see > Section 3), Fungus Cure Liquid contains a 0.4% solution of Acriflavin CAS > 8048-52-0… they do not list the other 99.6% so it’s probably a water > solution… but it’s much different than the other “Fungus Cure Powder” > product from API. > > Section 2 or 3, in most MSDS, will give the ingredients and percentages so > you don’t have to read the entire thing.. unless you like reading all that > other good stuff. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > —–Original Message—– > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:41 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Ray! - Acriflavin > > Hi Deb, Addressing your first post in this thread, no I did not state that > Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Fungus Cure would treat Velvet (at least not in my > most recent post on this), although it should treat it. When I recommended > your using API’s Fungus Cure, I did so as a milder substitute for the Fungus > problems until that issue would clear up completely as it was nearly cured > then — not that Furan II (I think I recommended this) is harsh, it’s not.. > But at that time we were trying to “wean” the fish off fungus meds in > anticipation of treating the internal issues. > > Please know, as I’m fairly sure you do, that I am referring to API’s LIQUID > Fungus Cure, both at that time and right now. Very surprising you can’t > find that product in your LFS’s, but then some of the smaller stores may not > stock all the essentials (and I consider this an essential, for what it > treats). I would not recommend treating for Velvet though, unless you’re > absolutely sure your fish have it. > Besides “flashing,” which has many causes, Velvet manifests itself as a fine > off-white/yellowish to orange (even brownish) dusting over the entire body, > often beginning as a patchy film . Similar to Ich in one respect, it can > exist in the water column apparently dormant for some time, only to infect a > host at the best opportunity; it’s also a protozoan parasite just like Ich > and has a free-swimming stage before becoming parasitic. Many things can > bring it in, including being accompanied with live food (Daphnia) feedings. > It’s known to affect Carp (i.e., Goldfish) when conditions are right for it. > Killiefish efficienato’s are sometimes plagued with this after having their > fish healthily set up for as much as several years. > > Getting back to the API Liquid Fungus Cure, it is not new — I’ve been using > it for about 20 years now. As I stated in my previous post on this — the > post you’re referring to with your first message on this topic — this > liquid medication consists of Neutroflavin (Acriflavin neutral) and > Povidone/Colloid mixture, as I read it directly from the label at this time > as I’m writing. No, it does not contain Methylene Blue. As to how it > compares to Jungle’s Fungus Guard, this Fungus Guard contains Sodium > Chloride (salt), Potassium Chloride, Triethylene Glycol, Mthylene Blue, > Polyvinylpyrrolidone and Nitromersol Acriflavin. > > The API Powder Fungus Cure, on the other hand, contains Sodium Chloride, > Acriflavin, Silica Amorphus - (Fumed, Crystalline Free) and C.I. Basic Green > 4 (Hydrochloride). NEITHER of these two API’s Fungus Cures contain Victoria > Green, although some web sites will erroneously tell you it (powdered > version) does. Yet another reason for not relying on “informative” web > sites if you don’t know to begin with. When in doubt, either ask one of us > or go right to the > manufacturer’s (in this case API) web page - . > Despite some possible beliefs to the contrary, C.I. Basic Green 4 > (Hydrochloride) is not Victoria Green. > > While I don’t see you bringing up Jungle’s Fungus Clear, this medication > contains Nitrofurazone, Furadolizone and Potassium Dichromate. The Jungle’s > Ich Clear, which you mention (in wondering if it’s closer to API’s Fungus > Cure Powder) consists of Victoria Green and Acriflavin, and is similar only > in that they both contain Acriflavin. > > Incidentally, while bringing up the dye medication, C.I. Basic Green 4, when > this medication is found in API’s Liquid Super Ich Cure (as the sole > ingredient), it comes in the form of an “Oxalate” (Malachite > Green oxalate) rather than Hypochloride. API does also offer a > Powder Super Ich Cure, containing Sodium Chloride, Nitrofurazone, Silica > Amorphus - (Fumed, Crystalline Free) and C.I. Basic Green 4 (Hydrochloride), > should you need to know. Later, Ray > > > > — In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, “Menagerie_Manager” > wrote: > > > > Hmmmmm . . . from the link you gave me, it looks like Jungle’s > Ick > > Clear is closer to A.P.’s Fungus Cure powder. I wonder if the > Fungus Cure > > liquid is new, because it’s not listed on the website. > > > > You’re right, I transposed the victoria green and methylene > blue in my > > head between stores. Just one more reason why I don’t trust my > memory, > > unless I see it in writing. Also why I have to see “GO TO BED” in > print so > > that I remember to do so and not play solitaire until I pass out > drooling on > > the keyboard. > > > > Thanks for all the help! > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > —– Original Message —– > > From: “Lenny V. aka GoldLenny” > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:07 PM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin > > > > > > Just in case Ray doesn’t answer soon… > > > > This page has a very thorough breakdown on what chemicals and > dosages are in > > the various fish meds we use. If you find any mistakes, use the > Contact Us > > to let the webmaster know so they can fix things as companies do > change > > their formulas. > > http://thegab.org/Articles/FishMedications.html > > > > Jungle’s Fungus Clear and API’s Fungus Cure have completely > different > > formulas. I don’t see Methylene Blue in the API Fungus Cure.. but > rather > > Victoria Green. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com (Links to any articles > > referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > —–Original Message—– > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:22 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Ray! - Acriflavin > > > > I think you mentioned that Aquatic Pharmaceuticals’ Fungus > cure would > > treat velvet, also, but I can’t find that post and I don’t want to > go by > > memory. Is this true or have I gone barmy? > > > > Also, I couldn’t find the AP Fungus Cure, except in powder > form and it > > has methylene blue as well. Does the liquid have that also and how > does it > > compare with Jungle’s Fungus Guard? > > > > I am seeing Lucille flash her belly on the bridge, now, not > just when > > playing in the water current. I can understand fungus and > bacteria, but how > > does a fish that’s been out of the pet store for over a year pick up > > parasites? Do they come in the food? > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ———————————— > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e.. “new > subject (was re: old subject)” We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
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