Newbie with a fungus problem?
It may have a negligible effect, since the salt concentration to recharge the zeolite is much higher than what you ever had in your tank. I’ll bet that once the ammonia and nitrite are under control, most of your problems will go away. Then, when you get a larger tank, the rest of them will pretty much disappear.
\Steve//
> —–Original Message—– > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 9:56 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie with a fungus problem? > > Wouldn’t the salt in the water negate the zeolite? I’m almost down to 1tsp/G. It’ll be > another day or two before the level is negligible. > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > —– Original Message —– > From: Steve Szabo > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 6:01 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie with a fungus problem? > > > Red streaking in goldfish fins generally mean issues with nitrogenous > wastes. Looking back, I do note that you do have readings for both > ammonia and nitrites. In your situation, it may be wise to consider the > use of an ammonia gulping zeolite as is being discussed elsewhere on the > list. > > \Steve// > > > > —–Original Message—– > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 12:55 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie with a fungus problem? > > > > Sunday night Check in (Day 20 of Salt - Day 5 of reducing it) > > > > - 3G PWC @ noon > > - 3G PWC @ midnight (salt down to 1.2tsp/G) > > - CB is eating a bit better and is actually moving around and > foraging today - there must have > > still been some osmotic issues in addition to the pour appetite from > the parasites, or else she > > finally decided to sample the pea meat. > > - Lucille has some red streaks on the top of her fantail at the ends. > Could this be from > > reducing the salt or is it something I should worry about? > > - Raven is getting to be a pest having to be right there any time I > do something that requires > > getting the fish out of the way. “Whaa-cha-doooo-in’?” > > > > > > Yes, the previous owner was rather nocturnal and I tend to be a > night person, too, so it > > works out, I guess. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > —– Original Message —– > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 1:34 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie with a fungus problem? > > > > > > No. Goldfish are not nocturnal. Maybe the previous owner used to > feed them > > right after lights out or something so they have Pavlovian > conditioning to > > start looking for food after lights out. Check with the previous > owner. If > > it’s Pavlovian, they will slowly learn that you don’t feed after > lights out > > and they’ll start to change their habits. I’m guessing that the > external > > environment probably changes a little when the tank lights are out > so things > > look different to them so maybe they get a little more interested in > what’s > > going on in the room. > > > > A few years ago, we had this discussion in a forum about whether the > fish > > can see as well out of their tank when the tank’s lights are on. > For > > example, if you are in your home and it’s darker outside than > inside, the > > glass forms a mirror effect so you can’t really see outside very > well. If > > you turn off the lights inside, then you can see outside much > better. I’m > > not sure if this same effect happens when the water is directly > against the > > glass. I do know that when looking at the side panels of the tank > at an > > angle from the front glass, they become mirrors of the back of the > tank when > > the tank lights are on but when the tank lights are off, if you look > from > > the front of the tank through the side panels, you can see through > them > > rather than get the mirror effect. > > > > I used to scuba dive in my younger years and volunteered in our > public > > aquarium and remember being able to see the people outside the tank > but I > > also remember some mirror effect. I know my fish can see me when > I’m in the > > room as they will stalk me for food.. lol.. but I still think they > can see > > even better when their tank lights are off and the room lights are > on, > > compared to when the tank lights are on and the room lights are off. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > —–Original Message—– > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:02 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie with a fungus problem? > > > > Saturday Night Check in (Day 19 of Salt - Day 4 of reduced salt) > > > > - 3G PWC @ midnight (I didn’t return any salt, so it’s down to > 1.73tsp/G. I > > figure I can add it back if Ray tells me to keep it at 2tsp/G to > slow the > > fungus) > > - CB ate a little this evening - Tetra flake - it’s all she’ll touch > > > > Are goldfish nocturnal? They seem to be more active, at least for a > while, > > after I turn off the lamp at night. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > —– Original Message —– > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie with a fungus problem? Q FOR > RAY > > > > Actually, I don’t have a specific LFS, other than PetSmart and I > don’t ask > > them for any advice on anything except for where to find stuff in > the store. > > There was a good one not too far away, but it went under last summer > > sometime. I know of another one nearby, but it’s a dirty little > place and I > > doubt they have a website. I was just wondering if there was > anything that > > most fish stores carry that would help, as the PraziPro didn’t > arrive today. > > > > I’ve given the pea meat at least three times in the last two weeks. > I was > > just thinking about trying it again. CB actually came to the top for > flakes > > tonight, instead of just sitting there and maybe picking at whatever > > happened to fall nearby. > > > > As far as the salt, I can’t find the post, but I thought that Ray > had said > > it was ok to give other treatments along with salt. I just had to > make sure > > the malachite green was gone before giving the Fungus Clear and that > the > > Fungus Clear is gone before I do the PraziPro. I was only lowering > the salt > > to counter the osmotic stress that I was seeing. I don’t want the > fungus to > > get a foothold again before I can get rid of the parasites. SHOULD I > > CONTINUE TO LOWER THE SALT, RAY??? I haven’t done my PWC, yet, for > today. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > —– Original Message —– > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 4:08 PM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie with a fungus problem? > > > > What’s available at your LFS? It’s hard to suggest anything else > without > > knowing what’s available. Do they have a website? > > > > Have you tried feeding the green pea “meat”? Besides the potential > for > > internal parasites, there’s also the chance of constipation… and > it’s also > > a good thing to feed fancy goldfish green pea “meat” once a week or > so just > > to keep them “regular” since they are prone to digestive system > disorders.. > > which often leads to swim bladder disorders. > > > > Going from memory, you started off with Malachite Green for a few > days which > > wasn’t working. Then the salt and didn’t you also do the Maracyn 2? > And > > then the Jungle Fungus Clear… right? Why did you add salt to this > last > > PWC? I thought we were phasing the salt out with each PWC? > > > > Before starting the PraziPro, you need to get rid of the rest of the > meds. > > I’m concerned the fish are going to get overly stressed with too > much meds. > > When I’ve had sick fish to treat, I usually give them a day of just > fresh > > water between treatments to give their kidneys a chance to rest > between > > treatments… kind of like, there’s nothing like good clean fresh > air for > > us.. same goes for the fish with good clean fresh water. > > > > You can run fresh carbon in your filter to filter out any meds that > are > > missed by PWC’s but carbon will not filter out salt so only the > PWC’s will > > slowly reduce the salt. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > > > —–Original Message—– > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > ] > > On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 1:31 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie with a fungus problem? > > > > Saturday Afternoon Check in (Day 19 of Salt) > > > > - 3G PWC last night @ 11PM (replaced 1T salt - level is now > 2.08tsp/G) > > - Tank Readings @ noon today: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: under .25ppm; > Nitrite: > > .25ppm; Nitrate: 10 to 15 > > - CB has pretty much stopped eating. I’m still offering Tetra > flakes, > > because when she does eat, that’s what she goes for. Maybe the carbs > will > > keep her going until the PraziPro arrives and gets a chance to work. > If it > > doesn’t arrive today, Is there something I can get at a LFS that > might help > > until Monday? > > - Raven is looking stronger and her appetite is very good. There’s a > tiny > > white area on her dorsal fin that I’ll keep an eye on. Adding > anything to > > the tank before I treat the parasites will probably finish CB off. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > —– Original Message —– > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:59 AM > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie with a fungus problem? > > > > The goldfish spent about a year in a 10G tank before coming here to > the 20G. > > There was a 4th goldfish until sometime over the summer when the > previous > > owner’s grandson poured hot candle wax into the tank. Since these > three > > weren’t affected, I think the other one probably ate some of the > wax. > > > > Lucille is definitely longer than the other two, but she may be a > bit > > swollen, too. Whether that’s from the salt or the parasites, remains > to be > > seen. > > > > Last night (ok, 2:00 this morning), I did one final check on the > fish before > > going to bed. they were at the front of the tank, looking at the > Christmas > > tree lights. They must be feeling a little bit better to even care > about > > that. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > —– Original Message —– > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:00 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie with a fungus problem? > > > > As far as Lucille being larger. It could be from water retention due > to > > osmoregulatory problems… hopefully not… or if it is, hopefully > she’ll > > start to expel the water as the meds are reduced. > > > > It could also be that Lucille was not as affected by stunting so it > wasn’t > > permanent for her… so now that they are in a larger tank (or same > size > > with frequent PWC’s, which simulates a larger body of water), she is > growing > > and just happens to be growing faster than the other two. Hopefully, > they > > all recover from the earlier likely stunting issues. > > > > I just peeked at your first message and the answers wasn’t there and > I don’t > > recall the issue coming up since but how long were the three > goldfish in the > > previous owners care? (Trying to determine an approximate age) What > size > > tank were they in? Is the current 20G the same tank they have been > in from > > the beginning? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > —–Original Message—– > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > ] > > On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:52 PM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie with a fungus problem? > > > > Thursday Night Check in (Day 17 of Salt - Day 2 of under 3tsp/G) > > > > - 3G PWC @ 3pm (salt now at 2.29tsp/G) > > - Tank readings @ 11pm: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: bet .25 and .50ppm; > Nitrite: > > .25ppm; Nitrate: about 15ppm > > - The fish are acting a bit more energetic today, esp. since the > last PWC. > > I’m thinking of holding the salt at 2tsp/G to keep any fungus at bay > until I > > can treat with the PraziPro. > > - CB still breathing heavy and doing the spitting/choking thing > occasionally > > - These guys/gals were more or less the same size when they arrived > about 3 > > weeks ago. Lucille now looks quite large next to Raven and CB. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > —– Original Message —– > > From: Menagerie_Manager > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie with a fungus problem? > > > > That’s good to hear about the cycling. > > > > I’m fairly sure the salt is at 2.75 tsp/G right now, and will go > down to > > 2.29tsp/G with today’s 3G PWC. See my Excel file, “DebRs Salt > Levels” for > > how I’m figuring the concentration of salt in the water, since there > isn’t > > really 20G in the tank right now. > > > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AquaticLife/files/Water%20Chemistry/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’m seeing the slow gulping with CB, not all the time, but after > exertion > > (eating, etc). But what I’m guessing is choking is a shaking of the > head, > > backing up and spitting action, kind of like when a fish is eating > and > > breaks the food up by spitting it out repeatedly, only she’s not > eating at > > the time. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > —– Original Message —– > > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:27 AM > > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie with a fungus problem? > > > > The climbing nitrate level is just the result of your nitrogen cycle > nearly > > completing. Before, you were having to do PWC’s to keep the > ammonia/nitrite > > levels low, apparently, you may now have nearly enough nitrifying > bacteria > > growing in your filter, etc., to handle the ammonia/nitrite so you > should > > soon see both of them staying at 0.0ppm and you’ll do PWC’s to keep > nitrates > > in check and also to replace/dilute the dirty water. > > > > OK. Presuming you were pretty close to 0.3% (3 teaspoons per gallon) > of > > salt, changing out 3G (or 15% of the 20G tank) would bring it down > to > > 0.285%. So, each time you do a 3G PWC with clear water, you’ll bring > the > > current number down by 15%, so the next 3G will bring the 0.285% > down to > > 0.242% (multiply the current number by .85 to get the new number). > You will > > see a diminishing return with each PWC but after about 5 of the 3G > PWC’s, > > you could increase the PWC amount to 25% (5G). After about 5 of > those, you > > will have negligible levels (less than 0.05%) which would no longer > be > > providing any kind of therapeutic benefits or causing any kinds of > > osmoregulatory issues. > > > > The “choking thing”… does it look more like yawning? Or a slow > gulping > > motion? > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the > right > > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, > Month) > > > > —–Original Message—– > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > ] > > On > > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:23 AM > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie with a fungus problem? > > > > Wednesday Night Check in (Day 16 of Salt) > > > > - 3G PWC @ about noon (did not treat replacement water with salt) > > - Salt now approx 2.75 tsp/G > > - 11pm Tank Readings: pH: I’m going to say 7.6, and that’s probably > what > > it’s been all along; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: slightly over ..25ppm; > > Nitrate: 15 - 20 (kind of a surprise after yesterday’s level and > today’s > > PWC) > > - Not seeing any fungus right now. Only extreme exhaustion and that > choking > > thing that CB does. I saw Lucille do it once this afternoon. > > - The PraziPro should arrive any day. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > —– Original Message —– > > From: Raymond Wetzel > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 1:20 PM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Newbie with a fungus problem? > > > > With your removal of the Fungus Clear, and your lowering the salt > > level, I trust most or all of the fungus has been eliminated. When > > are you expecting the PraziPro? If not for a while, and especially > > if you still see some fungus, I’d give them another treatment of > > Fungus Clear if it looks threatening, but the salt can be reduced. > > The fungus should be gone right now though; if there’s just a bit > > remaining, you can add some acriflavin to the water (in the form of > > API’s liquid Fungus Cure) which is very mild. > > > > If the fungus is gone, just wait for the PraziPro to start treating > > them for the internal issues. CB may be having trouble adjusting > > from flakes to pellets, if this food is new but often, fish will > > reject any kind of food as their internal infections worsen and will > > act in the manner you’re describing. > > > > I see your nitrite is up, unless that figure is a result of your not > > being able to determine the color chart match. I also noticed your > > two pH readings — the results received from both test kits (high > > range pH and low range pH). In any case, it looks like more frequent > > PWC’s are in order; I would not do larger ones as you don’t want to > > reduce the salt too fast at any one time. Ray > > > > — In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > , > > “Menagerie_Manager” > > wrote: > > > > > > Tuesday Night Check in (Day 15 of Salt) (Removing remainder of > > Fungus Clear with carbon filter) > > > > > > - Ph: 7.5 or almost 7.8 (see my post on lighting and test > > results); Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: 10 - 15ppm > > (depending on lighting) > > > - Lucille is sitting most of the time at the bottom. CB and > > Raven, also, although they’re a bit more active than they have been. > > > - CB still breaths a bit heavy and sometimes acts likes she’s > > trying to spit something out (backing up and shaking head). I did > > see her spit out a piece of food one time that she was doing this. > > Could she be having trouble adjusting to the Omega One pellets from > > the Tetra flakes? > > > > > > I think it may be time to lower the salt level some. What I’m > > seeing now, other than the stringy white and clear poop, pretty much > > fits the descriptions I’ve read of osmotic stress, and I’m not sure > > how much more CB can take. > > > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) >
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