CB, Raven and Lucille
I’ve been wondering why you have been waiting for the water people to reply.. The company or town department that supplies the water should have a web site, and on that web site should be the latest report available for public consumption that will tell you whether chloramines are used and a lot of other stuff, possibly some that you really don’t want to read .
\Steve//
> —–Original Message—– > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:55 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > Thursday Night Check in (Day 15 reduced salt - 31 total)(PraziPro treatment > ended yesterday) > > Tuesday: > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: just over 0ppm; Nitrate: 10ppm > - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > Wednesday: > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just over 10ppm > - PWC (5tsp salt, .5ml Prime) > > Thursday (Today): > - pH: 7.4; Ammonia: just under .25ppm; Nitrite: .25ppm; Nitrate: just > under 20ppm > > I’ll be doing a PWC first thing in the morning, then readings later at > night. > > The “glitter” is shiny iridescent pearl color - the same as most of > Lucille’s body. She does have some pale Cheetos-colored areas starting to > show on her body and gills, and spreading out from the deep orange spot on > her head. The red on her tail seems to be taming down to an orange, also.. > It’s all in the normal color range for a goldfish. Any “flashing” that I’ve > seen seems to be in the process of playing in the filter current - not so > much flashing as the fact that the current pushes them towards the plastic > bridge and they glance off of it sometimes. > > I’m thinking, just for peace of mind, of going ahead with the > Acriflavin treatment. It would put the kibosh on any remaining fungus, and > from what I’m reading online, it would also take care of any velvet if it’s > present. The PraziPro treatment is done and I’m in the process of removing > it through PWCs and carbon filtering. > > I use the API Freshwater Master Test Kit. Yes, the in-between #s are > estimates based on color gradient. I’m think there must be chloramines, > also. Maybe someday I’ll get a response from the water department. My bill > comes from the Township, but the water comes from Detroit and, rather than > talk to some secretary, I sent an email to the water processing department. > Hopefully, now that the holidays are over, I will get a reply, but where > else would ammonia come from 24 hours after getting a zero? > > Will any dechlor really be alright once the tank get cycled? I thought > Ray had said I would need to stick with the Prime if the tap water has > chloramines. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > —– Original Message —– > From: “Lenny V. aka GoldLenny” > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:12 AM > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > > The breeding stars or breeding tubercles are little white bumps on the gill > covers and on the leading edges of the pectoral fins. Bumps anywhere else > on the fish need to be diagnosed. > > The glitter look… what color is it?… could just be the natural > reflection of a healthy fish or worse case, it could be the start of another > sickness called Velvet - Description - Powder-like white, grey or gold > dusting on surface of fish (finer than ich, more similar to the consistency > of talc) from Pandora’s Fish Disease page - > http://preview.tinyurl.com/2m83ee > and more reading here > http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/othprotist.shtml > and here > http://www.fishvet.com/Oodinium.pdf > and this long case history with lots of pics.. > http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/BugsyCostia0503.html > (while Dataguru is very well read and knowledgeable, she and some of the > fellow goldfish keepers at thegab.org have lots of fish health problems > because they insist on promoting 10G per goldfish in her GAB forums… so > those forums are a very good place to read and learn about goldfish from > others mistakes… and what not to do.) > > Normally, the fish would appear sick with clamped fins, flashing/scratching > on surfaces in the tank, etc. The salt treatment you did would/should have > also taken care of any Ich or Velvet as well so I’m leaning against it being > Velvet. Have you been looking at pictures of healthy goldfish to see if you > see this same “look”? With all the problems that you’ve had, for a while, > you will be predisposed to think normal things might be a problem. It’s a > natural reaction. > > Now… for your test results… > Which brand kit do you have? You are showing levels of ammonia and nitrite > in the 0.1 ppm range which is not a typical level reported by most test kits > that I’ve used… or are you kind of guessing them numbers based on the > color range between 0.0ppm and 0.25ppm? I also want to make sure that your > test kit actually tests that low and that you didn’t misplace the decimal > point. Normally, we don’t worry about levels below 0.25 in a tank that is > still cycling…. although yours should be darn close to being completed. > > Since you are showing ammonia in your 48 hour tap water baseline tests, it > likely means that you do have chloramine treated tap water. Your Prime will > handle that with no problems and once your tank’s nitrogen cycle is fully > established, any dechlor will be OK. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > —–Original Message—– > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Menagerie_Manager > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:15 AM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille > > Monday Night Check in (Day 12 reduced salt - 28 total) (3 days PraziPro) > > - Baseline 48 Hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: slightly over .25ppm; Nitrite: > 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm This was done on straight tap water - no Prime. I’ll > have to do another with the Prime and see what the difference is. I’m > waiting on a call back from the water company for the chloramine info. > - Tank: pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .10 to .15ppm; Nitrite: .10ppm; Nitrate: > 10ppm > - Lucille is getting more red, this time along the lower edge of the tail.. > It really does look blood red, not like the deep orange on her head. I’ve > never seen a goldfish turn this color red. But she seems to be acting > normal. She(probably he) does seem a bit plump, though - not dropsy, scale > spreading plump, but still rather round - fat, maybe? > - The reason I said probably he is that I think I’m starting to see that > what-do-you-call-it, starring? It looks like someone sprinkled fairy dust > along her (sorry) back. It doesn’t look like white specs of salt. It looks > more like glitter. > > —– Original Message —– > From: “Menagerie_Manager” > > To: > > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:31 AM > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with a > fungus problem?) > > > Sunday Night Check in (Day 11 of reduced salt - 27 total) > > > > - I haven’t seen a fish resting on the bottom of the tank ALL DAY!!! > > 
> > - Baseline 24 hours: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: 0ppm; > > Nitrate: 0ppm > > - Tank (wasn’t able to do a PWC yet- I’m off to do that as soon as I > > send this message): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: .25ppm; Nitrite: .10 to .15ppm; > > Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > > - 5G PWC (as soon as I sign off) (including 5tsp salt, 1.25ml > > PraziPro, and .5ml Prime) > > > > Does ammonium show up on the ammonia test or if it were all converted, > > would the test read zero? > > > > Is there anything besides PWCs or adding plants that will help remove > > the nitrates once the tank is completely cycled? > > > > Oh criminy, the cat just knocked over the Christmas tree. I’m off to > > pick it up and do the PWC. > > > > DebR and the Three Goldfish > > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > > > > > > —– Original Message —– > > From: “Raymond Wetzel” > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:00 AM > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: CB, Raven and Lucille (was: Newbie with a > > fungus > > problem?) > > > > > > Good move on changing the subject line — and being ABLE to change it. > > Nice to see that the fungus issue is behind you; that’s at least one > > step in the right direction in getting these fish back to good health. > > CB’s increased activity is even more encouraging than before. > > > > Keeping an eye on the ammonia level, I would do an additional PWC (but > > a somewhat smaller one) at this time, and replace the removed > > PraziPro, and add Prime with it. While you don’t want the ammonia > > (ammonium) to increase much more, neither do you want to physically > > remove too much ammonium yet even though ideally you would strive for > > a zero (0) ammonia level in a fully cycled tank. I’m not fully > > convinced that your tank is completely cycled yet. You don’t want to > > starve out your nitrifying bacteria — but happily, your midnight > > readings indicate your nitrobacters and nitrospinas (nitrite- > > converting bacteria) are WELL populated as witness the 0 reading of > > this compound, having been completely converted to nitrate, but for > > some reason the nitrosomonas and nitrospiras (ammonia-converting > > bacteria) seem a bit slow and their populations may need building up > > (and would need food/ammonium with it). > > > > The baseline readings certainly make it appear as though your tap > > water does not contain chloramine, yet an earlier baseline reading of > > your tap water appeared to be a contradictory enigma when in went from > > 0.0 to 0.25 the next day. To be assured on this, I’d suggest you still > > contact your water company tomorrow, as was planned. > > > > You might give PetSmart a call on whether they do water testing, > > before going there, but I tend to doubt that they do (hope I’m wrong). > > If need be, give the LFS a shot at it while watching for his proper > > procedures. As long as he makes these tests properly and gives you the > > actual results (check those readings along with him, if he allows), > > you don’t need to take any further advise from him regarding these > > readings. > > > > I would maintain the salt at its present level for the time being. > > This amount should not interfere with any of the aquarium’s life > > functions, unless you have plants; I’d wait until you’re completely > > out of the woods with health concerns, and continue watching any > > further red streaking of any fins. With your suspicion of Raven’s and > > CB’s tails being nipped by Lucille now being confirmed, this may be > > the direct cause of the redness in CB’s tail and this salt addition > > will help prevent any fungusing of the damaged tissue. As I first > > started reading this account of CB having a shortened and raggedy > > caudal fin, the disease of fin-rot went through my mind up until I > > read your sighting of Lucille picking on the other two fish. > > Hiding places and plant cover do seem in order, but this behavior only > > increases the need for a larger tank sooner. As this may be pre- > > spawning behavior on the part of Lucille, you may have to change her > > (his? name to Louis! (LOL) Ray > > > > > > > > — In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > , “Menagerie_Manager” > > wrote: > >> > >> > > Saturday Night Check in (Day 10 of reduced salt - 26 total): > >> > >> - Baseline #1 on straight tap water: pH: 7.6; Ammonia: 0ppm; > > Nitrite: > >> 0ppm; Nitrate: 0ppm > >> - Tank (midnight): pH: 7.4; Ammonia: almost .25ppm; Nitrite: > > almost 0ppm; > >> Nitrate: slightly over 10ppm > >> - CB has been very active today - almost back to normal. > >> > >> I figured since the fungus is a thing of the past I should > > probably > >> change the subject line. > >> > >> Noting the Ammonia level, since I gave the PraziPro yesterday > > at 5pm, > >> should I do a PWC and treat the replacement water with PraziPro or > > should I > >> just add more Prime to control the ammonia? > >> > >> I’m looking for someplace to take a water sample from the > > aquarium and > >> have it tested so I can tell if my kit is giving me accurate > > results. Will > >> PetSmart do that kind of thing? I only know of one LFS and as I > > said before > >> it’s kind of a dirty little place. I might buy sealed containers > > of fish > >> products, but I wouldn’t buy any fish there and I’m not so sure I’d > > trust > >> their advice. > >> > >> Also, since everyone agrees that Lucille probably doesn’t have > >> Septicemia, should I stop replacing salt with any PWCs? I really > > don’t > >> think it’s a color change. It looks much more like blood to me. > >> > >> Someone mentioned about CB’s tail is so short. It was longer > > in spots, > >> but raggedy, and the raggedy bits finally fell off, but the tail > > seems to be > >> growing back some, now. Now that the fish are acting healthier, I > > do notice > >> Lucille nipping at CB’s tail sometimes. I had originally suspected > > that > >> both CB’s and Raven’s tails had been nibbled on. In a 10 gallon > > tank, where > >> could they have escaped to? Hopefully, I can keep Lucille > > entertained > >> enough and give CB places to hide. > >> > >> DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> > >> ——————–Insertion for continuity————— > >> > >> Deb, As \Steve// suggests (points out), usually as a normal > >> progression of Hemorrhagic Septicemia in fish, it will be noted as > >> starting at the base of the fins — not as starting at the exterior > >> finges of the fins. While I couldn’t get a very clear picture, it > >> doesn’t seem as if this condition exists in your fish. Of course, > >> keep us advised of any changes. Its quite normal for many Goldfish to > >> change color and color patterns as they grow, and as your’s are > >> resuming growth, this may well be what is taking place. This > >> generally occurs when they are slightly older — and by this, its > >> conceded that along with the slight additional age at which this > >> occurs, the fish would naturally be larger. As your fish may have > >> been held back in growth, and may not be indicative of this > >> phenomenon, their age may be sufficient for them to start undergoing > >> these changes, but keep us posted. Ray > >> > >> — In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > , “Menagerie_Manager” > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > I tried to get pictures and they’re just too fuzzy. I did > > get > >> a short > >> > video, though, that might be clear enough: > >> > http://www.facebook.com/p.php? > > i=1124712084&k=Z6MZP3SZU4YCUCGHTGZ2WSU > >> > OR > >> > http://tinyurl.com/Lucille-Tail > >> > > >> > DebR and the Three Goldfish > >> > (CB, Lucille, and Raven) > >> > > > > ———————————— > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You.. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if > CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e.. “new > subject (was re: old subject)” We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database > 3731 (20090101) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com >
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