[AquaticLife] An experiment has started…
Major disappointment! No change at all to my tank water. 4 ppm ammonia and 0 ppm nitrates!
Well, my test may indeed have been flawed. Adding fish would not have shot the ammonia up to 4ppm and that might have had an adverse effect on the bacteria. I might have gotten a bad bottle of the stuff, but then anyone could if that is the case and they would then need to do a cycle with fish, and a full bio load at that.
Based on my little experiment I do not think I could recommend the stuff. If any of you out there do buy it and get a chance to experiment with it I would love to see what would happen if one only added ammonia up to say 1 or 2 ppm. If that also fails, well the new stuff would have to be added to all the others… does not work. I would like to know, but not bad enough to drain the tank and try again. I would if I was at my home and not here at work, the water source is not real close, and co-workers already think I am nuts…
On the bright side, I did not add and kill fish! I am also set up and have started the fishless cycle of the tank.
On 1/5/09, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny wrote: > > The 3 to 5 drops per gallon guideline to bring the ammonia up to 3-5ppm, > seems to work in your case.. with the 5 drops per gallon being the max to > bring it to 5ppm.. 4 drops per gallon would give you 4ppm. If the initial 6 > drops in 12G brought it up to 0.5ppm, then 1 drop per gallon would bring it > up to 1ppm. It’s best to start with 3 drops per gallon and then test it to > make sure your dropper isn’t putting out larger drops than average… then > bumping it up to the 4th drop per gallon and 5th drop per gallon until it > gets to between 4-5ppm. > > Now that you’ve explained your LFS guy’s attitude, I understand why you got > nervous but he’s obviously still stuck in the past. Ask him how many > goldfish can go in a goldfish bowl? LOL That’s my test for any fish > place… how much water does a goldfish need? 10G or less, per fancy > goldfish, gets a failing grade. Asking about how to fishless cycle and the > nitrogen cycle in general are also good lil tests to see how experienced > your fish store employee might be. > > It’s still good to do the 90% PWC just to make sure that the liquid ammonia > you were dosing didn’t have any kind of contamination. The Ace Brand is > only supposed to be the plain ammonia solution but we’re talking retail > products subject to cross contamination during the manufacturing process. > These aren’t medical grade products that are produced in sterilized > conditions. Of course, you would have only dosed the tank once or twice > versus the amount that would normally be used during a full fishless > cycle… but I’d still do the large PWC. > > Using 1/2 of the Dr. Tim’s One And Only should be all you need for a 12G > tank so you could refrigerate the rest and save if for your next tank as > long as you set it up within the next few months. See > http://www.DrTimsAquatics.com for more > details on shelf life and > refrigeration procedures. > > Lenny Vasbinder > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > (Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right > side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > —–Original Message—– > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com ] On > Behalf Of Harl Myers > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:25 PM > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started… > > No, I did not buy the product from him. He sells cycle though. He just > does not believe in instant fish ready, I could tell. I can not wait to see > how much all my readings are in the morning. I knew that I only needed one > or the other. I found the ammonia that I needed at a Ace Hardware and > purchased it, then I thought that was way too long to go without fish, > since > it has been in my office for a while now, so I ordered the Dr. Tim’s > > Since I had both, and his attitude made me edgy, I decided to try it out. > The only reason I added the ammonia first was I wanted it to get to the 4 > ppm that was suggested to start off a tank, and since I did not do my > homework on a test gallon of water first, in order to know how much to add, > I just did it in the tank. I found out 6 drops from my dropper is .5 parts > per million. So I took it up to 2 parts per million, and tested. Then up > to 4 ppm. > > If it works out, I will go and get fish tomorrow! It seems that the > nitrates would not be so high this way that I would need to do the 90% > water > change. > > My readings before adding the ammonia were a PH of 8 and everything else a > 0 > - API master test kit… I do not have the hardness test kits, but the > water here is pretty hard to say the least. Had I know I needed them when I > purchased the “master” test kit I would have ordered them at that time. I > will soon, but right now the wife’s patience might be wearing a bit thin on > all the recent fish stuff purchased. In her defense it is a fairly long > list… 
) > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny > >wrote: > > > I hope you didn’t mess up. There was no need to add ammonia first. > > If anything, you should have added the Dr. Tim’s first, then started > > dosing ammonia.. or just added fish.. since that is the purpose of the > product. > > > > I guess it should still work if the backwards plan of adding the > > ammonia first didn’t cause any kind of shock issue to the bacteria in Dr. > Tim’s. > > > > Your test results tomorrow will let you know if it cycled all of the > > ammonia. You’ll have to keep dosing ammonia every day until you > > finally add your fish. > > > > If you were going to fishless cycle with ammonia, there was no need to > > buy the Dr. Tim’s.. it’s either one or the other. > > > > If he was laughing at the purpose of Dr. Tim’s One And Only to > > instantly fishless cycle a tank, as if he didn’t think it worked.. > > then why the HELL is he selling it to his customers… sounds like a > > crappy person to me. I wonder how much other stuff he sells people that > he > doesn’t think works… > > but Dr. Tim’s One And Only does work so at least you didn’t get > > screwed by him but I’d be very leery of his product suggestions in the > future. > > > > Lenny Vasbinder > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com > > (Links to any articles referenced in > > above reply are listed on the right side, alphabetically under Labels > > and also under Archives by Year, Month) > > > > > > > > —–Original Message—– > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > > AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > > Of Harl Myers > > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:25 PM > > To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] An experiment has started… > > > > Well, today I added 4 parts per million ammonia to a 12 gal. tank. > > Then I added Dr. Tim’s one and only to the tank and filter. > > > > Tomorrow mourning I plan to test the ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates > > to see if I have a fully cycled tank or not. > > > > Has anyone else done this? I found a pretty good LFS here and I could > > tell, he had a hard time from laughing at me when I brought up Dr. > > Tim’s and what it is suppose to do. > > > > Made me nervous, so I decided to test it out first. The 2 oz. bottle > > is for 30 gallon, so I used half and reserved half in case this fails, > > I can add more as I do the entire fishless cycle… > > >
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