[AquaticLife] 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
I have no stories to tell about ammonia, but regarding nitrites I did have a 0.5ppm spike once, and guess what alerted me? The fish were all hovering at the surface, gasping for air. The chemical was definitely impacting their ability to breathe.
The tetras I cycled my tank with died within a year.
Lenny is not alone in the belief that ammonia and nitrites permanently damage fish gills. The other forums I frequent agree wholeheartedly! I dont know if it is a visual examination thing, however. Is it like a chemical burn that leaves scar tissue instead of functioning cells? It would seem more logical for it to be an efficiency thing. That the gills just cant extract the oxygen or pass it into the bloodstream as well.
Time will tell with Night Out. A lot of people had success with Bio Spira and before that, the competitive products just werent comparable. Id definitely buy Dr. Tims product with confidence. My company refuses to divulge trade secrets as well. Just a good business practice.
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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 7:12 PM To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Just so people are warned, Dr. Tim is indeed knowledgeable in his field; however, he refuses to state the ingredients in his new product, which leaves open the possibilyty that it does not actually have all three kinds of necessary bacteria. He makes claims that require that the product contains three particular strains of bacteria but refuses to back that up by
telling us the bacteria are there. Some people here trust him anyway; I do not.
I understand that that the new Night Out product is exactly the same thing? I had that better pinned down at one point. I think actually it may be the product whose development led to the company that employed him and he parting company, and also that it does list its ingredients.
Has anyone actually tried either One and ONly or Night Out? I’d be very interested in knowing what sort of success people are actually having with them.
Lenny, on that claim that fish in new tanks suffer permanent gill damage, despite the claim you yourself frequently make that at ordinary ph levels it
takes sky high levels of ammonia to even be toxic; how do specifically know this, and how do you specifically tell if a fish has suffered gill damage? I take it you think this permanent gill damage is less obvious than the fish
chronically struggling to breathe. I mean, either the fish’s gills are damaged or they are not, and if they are it should be possible to examine ht
fish and tell. So tell us what to look for.
Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@ yahoo.com
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