Angelfish laying eggs
I agree about computers being like socks, LOL. I get computer withdrawls if mine is out of commission for awhile. As far as a comparison between Angel’s and Ram’s… My Angel’s remind me of sharks, they lay in wait for their prey, I sometimes imagine the “Jaws themesong” playing when they’re hunting for food or guarding their leaf. Apart from begging me for food and pruning their plants (I’ve had to move several to another tank because they eat them, LOL), they don’t do much other than fight each other, chase other fish away from their leaf, and search the tank for food, but I do enjoy them very much, they add personality to the tank that’s for sure. The Rams remind me of hummingbirds, they “flutter” all over the tank and hover above things they are interested in, with their fins moving really fast but their body staying still, much like a hummingbird. The rams spend their days searching the bottom of my tank for food and they seem to like my flame tetra’s (similar body shape/size/coloring maybe?) so they sometimes join my tetra’s in chasing/play. One thing I really like about the blue rams is that they have a bright blue line on their bottom lips and it reflects the light really well so when they’re begging for food they’re very flashy while they do so, hehe. My Rams so far seem pretty docile, and they are a mostly bottom dwelling fish, though they do come up to the top of the tank and play there when I walk by, hoping for food, LOL. But then again when I walk by EVERY fish in my 125 gallon tank is at the top, except the female betta, she’s usually hiding in a decoration somewhere, I swear she naps a lot, but then she looks like an old female, she’s fully grown and her coloring seems to be fading just a bit. They definitely recognize me as the food giver though 
Hope that you find your rams some day Bill, I definitely love watching mine, they’re one of my favorites in my tank.
Amber
bill1433 wrote: > With all due respect my friend, I don’t think that anything could replace > those rams right now! The reason, like most things with me, is simple. No knowledge of them plus their compact size. Angels are not really that demanding and are beautiful to watch swimming, they are very graceful. Their swimming habits always reminded me more of gliding through the water rather than actual swimming. But to do them any justice at all, a 55-gallon tank or better is needed. The more room you give these fish the more you can enjoy them because they will respond in kind and are well worth the effort and cost of a larger tank > > I’ve had both Angels and Discus at one time or another and most of the other common Cichlids as well. Including Firemouths, and Oscars and with all I can say from my own personal observations; cichlids for the most part are really a “personality type” fish. Within a short time, even the shyest of them will become accustomed to your comings and goings and will start to appear at the top of the tank for food or treats. I had Oscars that were not content with this, and preferred to bang the glass cover on top of their tank and would continue to do so until they were fed! They thought this was funny. > > These days I just don’t have that much room. Another important point is that I have never had the opportunity to have Rams and it now seems that with the water parameters that I have, I can offer them perfect accommodations! At least this is what I’m hoping for, time will tell. > > On your ONGOING (you didn’t say that before, my impression was that the trouble was just a now and again type of thing) computer issues I can only bow my head and offer a few prayers because that thing is going to break down sooner or later. I can offer this one bit of advice. If you were ever thinking of a new one, you will not find a better time to spend the money than now. Sales are very plentiful at all the large chain stores, Target, Staples, Sears, and yes, Wally-World too! They are offering some great machines well under $500 dollars. If you should suddenly drop from our sight here on the ”net”; I will conclude that your machine has done to the “Great Above” and will risk a phone check to see how your making out. Think of it this way, computers are just like your socks, you can’t do without them for long! Especially in this weather! > > Bill > > — On Fri, 1/2/09, Raymond Wetzel wrote: > > From: Raymond Wetzel > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Angelfish laying eggs > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 6:44 AM > > > > > > > Hi Bill, Yes, your interest in Rams is well understood. I did > surprise me though, as I notice this interest in Angels which you’ve > never mentioned before. Granted, they both are members of the > Cichlid Family and do happen to share similar behaviors; from that > standpoint, what you gain in knowledge from one species can be > applied to the other to a good extent. Still, and I’m just going > back to my being taken a bit off guard by your curiousity in this > other species, even though the two species are related, they are > about as far apart as Angels would be to Oscars, which is what got me. > > If you are thinking down range towards Angelfish, that’s great. I > know you must be well aware that they need much more room (than > Rams), but I’d be pleased to see you get into them; I know you’d find > no end of interest in them. > > I’m ALWAYS eager to read \Steve’s// posts, or anyone else’s who has > as much knowledge. One can never learn enough, and there’s always > room for a different slant on a subject — or just further input on > the same way of doing things. I see in this case, he got back to you > while I was still typing, when I had thought I’d post to you while > you awaited his response. I never said I was fast at typing (lol). > > As for the computer, what do you mean by “again”? It’s more > like “still,” or on-going, as in “ever-after” only in this case its > not “happily” . Just lost a long reply to Lenny’s and \Steve’s// > discussion on global warming/climate change, yesterday afternoon. > Don’t know if I’ll bother to write it all again. > > Now, back to Angelfish breeding — Do you have a spare bedroom you > could set tanks up in (how about your present bedroom, I’m sure your > wife wouldn’t mind, LOL). What about the Living Room?, Basement?, > Garage?, Kitchen? LOL. > > I would like to see you get involved with these fish as I know you’d > enjoy them — almost as much (maybe more?) as Rams. Later, Ray > > — In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 wrote: > >> Hi Ray! >> >> Just thinking down range a bit. While it’s true I have no interest >> > in Angles at > >> the moment, they are members of the Cichlid family and as such, do >> > represent > >> an interest in another specie, Mikrogeophagus Ramirezi the “Blue >> > Ram”. I don’t think I need go any further on that point, as I know > that you are already aware of my keen interest in them. > >> >> Also, we cannot discount \Steve’s // over all knowledge, and if >> > there is a chance too seek > >> addition information from him and capitalize, I never let his post, >> > or yours either for that matter, go without a comment or two > from “this inquiring mind”. > >> >> Happy New Year To You Too! I understand from previous postings >> > that the computer is giving you “fits” again? > >> >> Bill >> >> >> — On Thu, 1/1/09, Raymond Wetzel wrote: >> >> From: Raymond Wetzel >> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Angelfish laying eggs >> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 1:17 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Bill, Noticed you’re directing these two questions to \Steve//, >> and while he may well be able to add to this, I thought I’d throw >> this at you in the meantime, as one who used Methylene Blue almost >> daily — until I switched to Acriflavin finding it to be much more >> effective. I wasn’t aware you were into Angelfish breeding though, >> although such topics can be interesting even if you’re not needing >> the info at this time. >> >> While generally recognized as being a funguscide of sorts, a main >> purpose of using it with Angelfish eggs (as is the thread here), is >> to darken the water preventing much damaging light from reaching >> > the > >> fish eggs. Many breeders preferring to use this product just add it >> to sight, until it gets to a shade they feel would be most >> protective. As I said, I used to use it for many years (still keep >> it on hand) until finding Acriflavin to be much more effective as >> > an > >> egg funguscide — but while this is mainly to prevent any >> infertile/fungused eggs from spreading the fungus spores to other >> eggs, most any fertilized eggs will not develop fungus anyway. >> Still, the more one can keep fungus of the infertile eggs to a >> minimum, the better the immediate environment of the developing >> > eggs. > >> The amount of Methylene Blue to be used for this purpose will vary >> from breeder to breeder as they find what’s most effective for >> > them, > >> depending in part upon their water. You’ll find recommendations/ >> > uses > >> from 2 or 3 drops per gallon up to 9 drops per gallon (which >> is “overkill” and totally unnecessary) . Part of this equation too >> depends on the solution strength which was often marketed years ago >> as up to 10%. >> >> There are fewer firms that market Methylene Blue lately, from what >> > I > >> see, although Kordon remains as one of the main sources, offerring >> their product simply as “Methylene Blue.” Their solution strength >> has remained at 2.303% from early on. When using it, I’ve found >> > that > >> about 5 drops per gallon were sufficient for my use. Kordon >> recommends 1 tsp per 10 gallons (3.0 ppm), which comes out to 60 >> drops per 10 gallons — or 6 drops per gallon, not much different. >> >> “Assuming regular water changes;” You would only be performing >> > PWC’s > >> if you were allowing the breeding pair to raise their own fry, and >> then, it is redundant to do so as the parents’ care will preclude >> fungusing of fertile eggs (and they will be removing any infertile >> eggs). If hatching the eggs away from the parents to rear the fry >> separately, its not at all needed to perform PWC’s as there is no >> bioload to control. The Methylene Blue will retain its strength in >> the time needed for the eggs to hatch — 3 days, @ 80 o F — and >> > will > >> be seen to weaken (slowly lose color) afterwards but the fry will >> have hatched by this time. No additional dye medication is required >> during this hatching period, and before the fry are free-swimming, >> its beneficial to remove this dye. Happy New Year, Ray >> >> — In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, bill1433 >> > wrote: > >>> Hi \Steve// >>> >>> Questions here about the “methylene blue added” ? >>> First, how much per gallon? >>> Second, assuming regular water changes, continue with the >>> > methylene > >> blue to the PWC’sIas the new water is added keep dosage the same)? >> >>> For how long? >>> >>> Happy New Year To You! >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> — On Wed, 12/31/08, Steve Szabo wrote: >>> >>> From: Steve Szabo >>> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs >>> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >>> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 11:05 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> It is not unusual for angel pairs to eat their eggs, even several >>> >> times, before they get it “right” and understand that making caviar >> of their young may not be such a good idea. If there are other fish >> in the tank, it is quite possible someone snuck in at night and had >> > a > >> feast also. If the eggs were not fertile, they may also be eaten by >> the parents. >> >>> If you do want to breed them, your best bet may be to place the >>> > two > >> of them in a 40 gallon tank or better for breeding along with the >> appropriate pieces of slate and roughly vertical broad leafed >> > plants > >> (real or artificial) to give them a choice of spots to lay eggs, >> > and > >> cross your fingers they do not decide to use the heater, or the >> filter siphon tube instead. Then, if you want to ensure the eggs >> stick around, you may remove the surface they were laid on to >> > another > >> tank with methyline blue added and an air stone strategically >> > placed > >> to provide water movement. Alternatively, you can move the parents. >> >>> \Steve// >>> >>> >>>> —–Original Message—– >>>> From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:AquaticLife @ >>>> >> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of >> >>>> Amber Berglund >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:42 PM >>>> To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com >>>> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Angelfish laying eggs >>>> >>>> Replying to myself again here guess no one knows anything >>>> > about > >>>> breeding angel fish or they’re all busy, LOL. >>>> Anyways, the eggs are all gone today since I didn’t get an >>>> > answer > >> last >> >>>> night if I should remove the leaf or what-not. I figure one of >>>> >> the fish >> >>>> had a nice meal over night Maybe my angel’s will go for >>>> >> another batch >> >>>> later or something. >>>> >>>> Amber >>>> >>>> Amber Berglund wrote: >>>> >>>>> I forgot to say that the 10 gallon with fry is guppies, with >>>>> >> one female >> >>>>> that’s been popping out babies. >>>>> >>>>> Amber >>>>> >>>>> Amber Berglund wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Okay so my 2 angel fish apparently decided they really like >>>>>> >> each other >> >>>>>> recently. They were fighting a bit more lately, and I >>>>>> > figured > >> something >> >>>>>> was going on but didn’t think they would start laying eggs >>>>>> > and > >>>>>> fertilizing them. One (grey/black striped not sure what >>>>>> > kind > >> it is >> >>>>>> precisely) is laying the eggs while my Koi angelfish comes >>>>>> > in > >> and is >> >>>>>> apparently fertilizing them (I can see a slight cloud >>>>>> > coming > >> out as he >> >>>>>> hovers over the leaf that the female laid eggs on), and the >>>>>> >> two of them >> >>>>>> are definitely guarding the leaf. My question is this, how >>>>>> >> likely is it >> >>>>>> for these babies to actually survive in a semi-aggressive >>>>>> >> aquarium with >> >>>>>> a few “passive” fish as well? I could get a tank divider if >>>>>> >> it might >> >>>>>> help somehow, wonder how much it will cost at my LFS, >>>>>> >> afterall it’s a >> >>>>>> 125 gallon tank, LOL. On a side note it’s nice to see that >>>>>> >> they are both >> >>>>>> very happy in their environment. All of the fish have >>>>>> >> increased in size >> >>>>>> and color since I moved them into the bigger tank. >>>>>> I currently have a 10 gallon set up with 4 fry and an >>>>>> >> expecting female >> >>>>>> (well I think she has laid the 4 fry in there and there are >>>>>> >> more to >> >>>>>> come, but I could be wrong, LOL), could I just cut the leaf >>>>>> >> with eggs on >> >>>>>> it off of the plant and put it into the 10 gallon or would >>>>>> >> that be a bad >> >>>>>> idea? >>>>>> >>>>>> Amber >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> ———— ——— ——— —— >>>> >>>> Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, >>>> >> Thank You.. >> >>>> ·´¯`·.¸¸.>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸> >>>> > ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..> >> ((((º> >> >>>> PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT >>>> >> important to the reply & if >> >>>> CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT >>>> >> LINE -> i.e.. “new >> >>>> subject (was re: old subject)” >>> >>> >> ((((>> >>>> We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! >>>> >> Groups Links >> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ———————————— > > Please, DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, Thank You. > ·´¯`·.¸¸.>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..> > PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. “new subject (was re: old subject)” We Thank You in Advance for Your HELP in this matter.Yahoo! 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